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Gun Registration Often Leads To Confiscation, As New Yorkers Find Out Once More

Why Gun Rights Advocates Oppose Gun Registration

A centralized registration system is the one usually proposed by gun control activists, and it is the type most feared by gun rights advocates. At the heart of resistance to registration is the belief that it encourages firearm prohibitions and ultimately leads to confiscation. (It is also why many choose not to comply and register weapons already owned.)

Those who favor more gun control often accuse gun owners of being paranoid, but the track record of firearms registration is not a good one.”

-GunCite.com, popular firearms information website, August 24, 2007

Supporters of more gun “control” in the United States routinely push for the registration of firearms.

And, “Don’t worry,” they like to say, “No one is going to take away your guns.”

Problem is, history repeatedly shows otherwise.

I blogged backed on January 14, 2013:

Gun registration often leads to confiscation. From the latest edition of Gun Facts, a popular firearm reference book:

Myth: Registration does not lead to confiscation

Fact: It did in Canada. The handgun registration law of 1934 was the source used to identify and confiscate (without compensation) over half of the registered handguns in 2001.
Fact: It did in Germany. The (before the Nazis came into power) required all firearms to be registered. When Hitler came into power, the existing lists were used for confiscating weapons.
Fact: It did in Australia. In 1996, the Australian government confiscated over 660,000 previously legal weapons from their citizens.
Fact: It did in California. The 1989 Roberti-Roos Assault Weapons Control Act required registration. Due to shifting definitions of “assault weapons,” many legal firearms are now being confiscated by the California government.
Fact: It did in New York City. In 1967, New York City passed an ordinance requiring a citizen to obtain a permit to own a rifle or shotgun, which would then be registered. In 1991, the city passed a ban on the private possession of some semi-automatic rifles and shotguns, and “registered” owners were told that those firearms had to be surrendered, rendered inoperable, or taken out of the city.
Fact: It did in Bermuda, Cuba, Greece, Ireland, Jamaica, and Soviet Georgia as well.

Now, you can add the “Big Apple” to that list for a second time. Edmund DeMarche reported on the FOX News website earlier today:

The New York City Police Department is taking aim at owners of shotguns and rifles capable of holding more than five rounds, demanding such guns be surrendered, altered or taken out of the city.

The demand came in the form of some 500 letters mailed out to owners of registered long guns that are in violation of a 2010 city ordinance. The first option for the letter’s recipient is to, “Immediately surrender your Rifle and/or Shotgun to your local police precinct, and notify this office of the invoice number. The firearm may be sold or permanently removed from the City of New York thereafter.”

(Editor’s note: Italics added for emphasis)

“Surrendered, altered or taken out of the city.”

Sound familiar?

“Question: Why is it, every time I buy and register a gun in New York City, it gets confiscated?

Man, funk dat!”


Sagat, “Funk Dat” (1993)
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By Christopher E. Hill
Survival And Prosperity (www.survivalandprosperity.com)

Sources:

Smith, Guy. Gun Facts Version 6.1. Guy Smith, 2012.

DeMarche, Edmund. “NYPD cracks down on long guns that hold more than five rounds.” FOX News. 5 Dec. 2013. (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/12/05/nypd-targets-owners-multi-clip-shotguns-rifles/?intcmp=latestnews). 5 Dec. 2013.

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Milwaukee County Sheriff: If Feds Try To Disarm Country ‘You Would See An Uprising And Maybe A Version Of The Second American Revolution’

Speaking of Wisconsin, Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke Jr.- who recently made headlines when he told Milwaukee County residents in a PSA to use a firearm to defend themselves until police arrived- appeared on FOX News’ Justice with Judge Jeanine this past weekend and talked about gun rights. From their exchange:

JUDGE JEANINE: I’m back with… Wisconsin Sheriff David Clarke, who this week warned that enforcing any gun laws to deprive Americans of the right to bear arms could lead to a Second American Revolution. Sheriff, you’ve been very vocal, and, by the way, I absolutely agree with you- if you wait for 911, then shame on you. You’ve got to arm yourself and defend yourself once you educate yourself. Well, what’s this whole idea of a Second Revolution? Where is that coming from?
SHERIFF CLARKE: Well, the question was, “Would I participate in assisting the Feds coming into states and going into homes and taking everybody’s gun away?” And I said, I would not be a part of something like that. And I said one of the reasons is that I didn’t want to get shot. Because the American people are only going to put up with so much before they push back. And I said, if the Feds tried to do that- disarm this country- I said you would see an uprising and maybe a version of the Second American Revolution because of that. Just read the Declaration of Independence. It’s right in there. It was talking about the Feds coming in and going into homes, forcing their way into homes and removing firearms. I mean, the thought is preposterous.


“Second American Revolution on the horizon?”
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By Christopher E. Hill, Editor
Survival And Prosperity (www.survivalandprosperity.com)

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Many More Healthy Americans To Be Labeled Mentally Ill By Revised Mental Health Bible?

That article on OffGridSurvival.com about David Sarti of Doomsday Prepper-fame brings to mind another piece about mental health that I stumbled on this weekend. In the aftermath of Jared Loughner’s January 8, 2011, attack at a meet-the-public event held outside a Tucson, Arizona, supermarket by then-U.S. Representative Gabrielle Giffords, calls grew to prohibit mentally ill Americans from owning firearms. However, some smart individuals pointed out that the label “mentally ill” can be applied to whatever the powers-that-be want it to be. For example, are you vocal in your disappointment over how the country is being run? Well, you might be declared mentally ill then. By the way, no gun for you. Buh-bye.

And soon, a lot more healthy Americans could be labeled “mentally ill” according to Kate Kelland on Reuters.com last Thursday. The Health and Science Correspondent wrote on February 9:

Millions of healthy people – including shy or defiant children, grieving relatives and people with fetishes – may be wrongly labelled mentally ill by a new international diagnostic manual, specialists said on Thursday.

In a damning analysis of an upcoming revision of the influential Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM), psychologists, psychiatrists and mental health experts said its new categories and “tick-box” diagnosis systems were at best “silly” and at worst “worrying and dangerous”.

Some diagnoses – for conditions like “oppositional defiant disorder” and “apathy syndrome” – risk devaluing the seriousness of mental illness and medicalising behaviours most people would consider normal or just mildly eccentric, the experts said…

The DSM is published by the American Psychiatric Association (APA) and has descriptions, symptoms and other criteria for diagnosing mental disorders. It is used internationally and is seen as the diagnostic “bible” for mental health medicine.

(Editor’s note: Italics added for emphasis)

Disturbingly, Kelland added that the revised DSM might even help criminals avoid prison time. From the piece:

At the other end of the spectrum, the new DSM, due out next year, could give medical diagnoses for serial rapists and sex abusers – under labels like “paraphilic coercive disorder” – and may allow offenders to escape prison by providing what could be seen as an excuse for their behaviour, they added.

(Editor’s note: Italics added for emphasis)

Should the push to prohibit mentally ill persons from owning firearms ever gain traction, the alleged expansion of those that can be labeled mentally ill through the revised Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) could lead to large numbers of Americans having their guns confiscated and from being able to purchase firearms. To top it all off, as guns are rounded-up and prevented from being acquired by law-abiding citizens, more bad guys could be on the streets rather than in prison.

Scary.

Source:

Kelland, Kate. “Shyness an illness in “dangerous” health book-experts.” Reuters.com. 9 Feb. 2012. (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/09/mental-illness-diagnosis-idUSL5E8D98MX20120209). 13 Feb. 2012.

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Doomsday Prepper David Sarti Has Firearms Confiscated

Last week I blogged about the new National Geographic Channel TV series Doomsday Preppers. Once of the preppers featured in episode 2 was David Sarti, the “Hillbilly Prepper,” who lives outside of Nashville, Tennessee. Sarti says he is “prepping to survive an EMP detonation that will wipe out our nation’s transportation system.”

This weekend I happened to come across a story on the Off Grid Survival website that announced:

Just days after appearing on the National Geographic TV Show Doomsday Prepper, a prepper from Tennessee has been declared Mentally Defective and his guns have been seized by the government. The Prepper, David Sarti is a character to say the least, but his story is somewhat disturbing and should be a wake up call for everyone…

You can read the rest of “Doomsday Prepper Declared Mental Defective…. Government confiscates his Guns” on OffGridSurvival.com here.

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Anti-Gun Group Claims Fewer Than 1 Out Of 3 U.S. Households Has A Gun

Earlier today I came across a press release issued by the Violence Policy Center with the headline, “Household Gun Ownership Hits New Low – Fewer Than One Out of Three American Households Has a Gun.” From the PR Newswire site yesterday:

Household gun ownership in the United States has dropped to its lowest level since it peaked in 1977 according to a report issued today by the Violence Policy Center (VPC) analyzing new data from the General Social Survey (GSS) conducted by the National Opinion Research Center (NORC) at the University of Chicago…

Household gun ownership peaked in 1977, when more than half (54 percent) of American households reported having any guns. By 2010, this number had dropped more than 20 percentage points to 32.3 percent of American households reporting having any guns in the home–the lowest level ever recorded by the GSS. In 2010, fewer than a third of American households reported having a gun in the home.

Personal gun ownership peaked in 1985, when 30.7 percent of Americans reported personally owning a gun. By 2010, this number had dropped nearly 10 percentage points to 20.8 percent–the lowest level ever recorded by the GSS. In 2010, slightly more than one out of five Americans reported personally owning a gun.

These numbers conflict with other studies of household and personal firearm ownership in the United States. Gallup conducted a poll on gun ownership back in October 2005, with Gallup Poll assistant editor Joseph Carroll writing on November 22:

The poll, conducted Oct. 13-16, finds that 4 in 10 Americans report they have a gun in their homes, including 30% who say they personally own a gun and 12% who say another member of their household owns it. These results show essentially no change since this question was last asked in 2000. At that time, 27% of Americans said they personally owned a gun and 14% said another household member owned one.

Compare this to data used in the Violence Policy Center report showing household gun ownership at 37.3% in 2004 and 34.5% in 2006 (there was no survey data for 2005), and personal gun ownership at 25.5% in 2004 and 21.6% in 2006. The Gallup numbers are higher for both categories.

Now, here’s something interesting I found with the General Social Survey data utilized by the VPC. In 2008, household gun ownership jumped to 36.0% from 34.5% two years prior, then dropped significantly to 32.3% by 2010. In 2008, personal gun ownership also jumped to 23.6% from 21.6% in 2006, before falling to 20.8% in 2010. Seeing that gun sales went through the roof beginning in 2008 out of fears that a Democratic-controlled White House and Congress might enact tough new gun control measures or even confiscation- but GSS data doesn’t reflect ownership of all these additional firearms- is it possible a number of survey respondents weren’t telling the truth about household and personal firearm ownership?

And then there’s Guy Smith, who points out in his most recent edition of the firearms reference guide Gun Facts:

Myth: Gun owners are a tiny minority

Fact: The Federal government estimated that there were over 65 million gun owners in the U.S. and more than 50% were handgun owners.390 This number is generally considered low due to the reluctance of many to admit to a government agency that they own a gun. Other estimates indicate that between 41% and 49% of U.S. households are gun-owning households.

Fact: 43% of Americans claim that they own a gun.391

390 Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, 1997.

391 Americans by Slight Margin Say Gun in the Home Makes It Safer, Gallup Poll, October 20, 2006.

(Editor’s note: Italics added for emphasis)

Does the reluctance to admit gun ownership to governmental entities extend to other parties as well? Like those conducting the General Social Survey? It probably doesn’t help that the survey is conducted face-to-face through an in-person interview. From the GSS website:

6 How is the GSS administered?

The vast majority of GSS data is obtained in face-to-face interviews. Computer-assisted personal interviewing (CAPI) began in the 2002 GSS. Under some conditions when it has proved difficult to arrange an in-person interview with a sampled respondent, GSS interviews may be conducted by telephone.

Ask yourself this. If you were a gun owner, would you be open to sharing information about your firearms with a complete stranger, face-to-face no less, considering the stigma placed on gun ownership these days and other concerns such as theft and potential confiscation that come from broadcasting such ownership, or just take the easy way out, answer “no,” and move on to the next question? While it’s a University of Chicago project, it’s not like survey participants are being graded, after all. Therefore, I have a feeling a number of survey-takers may have opted for that second choice.

Sources:

“Household Gun Ownership Hits New Low – Fewer Than One Out of Three American Households Has a Gun.” Violence Policy Center (Press Release). 26 Apr. 2011. (http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/household-gun-ownership-hits-new-low—fewer-than-one-out-of-three-american-households-has-a-gun-120702544.html). 27 Apr. 2011.

Smith, Guy. Gun Facts Version 5.1. Guy Smith, 2009.

Carroll, Joseph. “Gun Ownership and Use in America.” Gallup. 22 Nov. 2005. (http://www.gallup.com/poll/20098/gun-ownership-use-america.aspx) 27 Apr. 2011.

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