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Jeremy Grantham On U.S. Bonds, Stocks, And A Market Crash

Regular readers of Survival And Prosperity may have noticed I retired the “Crash Prophets” page earlier this month (too much time to update). For those not familiar with this section, it’s where I compiled the investment activities/recommendations of “crash prophets” Dr. Marc Faber, Jeremy Grantham, Jim Rogers, and Peter Schiff (designation earned by being smart enough to spot the 2008 economic crisis and warning of future financial turbulence). Despite the retirement, I will continue to blog about the latest from these soothsayers.

And this morning I want to talk about Jeremy Grantham, the British-born investment strategist and founder/former chairman of Grantham, Mayo, Van Otterloo & Co. (currently overseeing $74 billion in client assets). In case readers missed it, a couple of weeks ago Grantham, whose individual clients have included former U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney and U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry, took part in an interview with The Wall Street Journal. The “crash prophet” discussed the booming U.S. stock market, a potential crash, and U.S. bonds. John Coumarianos wrote on the WSJ website on November 5:

With the S&P 500 up more than 15% this year, it may be time for a reality check. To that end, we spoke with Jeremy Grantham, co-founder and chief investment strategist at Boston-based money manager Grantham, Mayo, Van Otterloo & Co. and a noted spotter of market bubbles.

He thinks U.S. stocks and bonds will fail to generate inflation-beating returns over the next seven years, but he doesn’t see an imminent crash in share prices…

Mr. Grantham has already cemented his legend by arguing that U.S. stocks were overvalued in 2000 and again in 2007, anticipating the market’s two most-recent crashes. He also noted before the 2008-09 financial crisis that the relationship between home prices and income had become unglued, and said at least one large financial institution would fail.

By Mr. Grantham’s lights, U.S. stock prices are again high, with an overall Shiller price/earnings ratio (share price relative to the past decade of real average earnings) over 30, compared with its average of 16.8 since 1880. But profit margins also are unusually high, lending support to the high valuations, he says. And the Federal Reserve’s policy of keeping interest rates low supports share prices by making fixed-income investments less attractive as an alternative to stocks.

So this time, instead of a crash, stock valuations may take decades to revert to anywhere near the long-term average, Mr. Grantham says…

(Editor’s note: Bold added for emphasis)

The actual interview proved insightful, with Grantham communicating his bullishness on foreign stocks. The exchange can be read in its entirety here on The Wall Street Journal website.

By Christopher E. Hill
Survival And Prosperity (www.survivalandprosperity.com)

(Editor’s note: A qualified professional should be consulted prior to making a financial decision based on material found in this weblog. If this recommended course of action is not pursued, then it must be understood that the decision is the reader’s and the reader’s alone. Christopher E. Hill, the creator/Editor of this blog, is not responsible for any personal liability, loss, or risk incurred as a consequence of the use and application, either directly or indirectly, of any information presented on the site.)

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Signs Of The Time, Part 100

A milestone has been reached with the “Signs Of The Time” series of posts.

I wasn’t sure what material I’d use for post number 100, when manna from Heaven suddenly appeared in the form of a headline on the home page of my Internet service provider:

Why people won’t say the economy is booming

By most measures, the economy is doing great. So, why are people reluctant to admit it?

Obama: ‘We went through a really scary time’

In the accompanying piece, Sam Ro, managing editor at Yahoo! Finance, wrote Sunday:

By most measures, the economy is doing great. The US labor market is creating around 200,000 jobs a month, which has brought the unemployment rate tumbling to 5%. Meanwhile, home prices are up and stock prices (GSPC) are near all-time highs.

So, why are there so many people so reluctant to acknowledge how good things are today?

One word: trauma.

“Some people are still recovering from the trauma of what happened in 2007-2008,” President Barack Obama said in an interview with Yahoo Finance’s Nicole Sinclair. “You know, we went through a really scary time.”

Trauma has the ability to distort how we perceive our present reality…

(Editor’s note: Bold added for emphasis)

Just when you thought you’ve heard everything, right?

It gets better. Ro continued:

Consider the joy that comes from jumping on a trampoline or the thrill one gets from speeding downhill on a bicycle. For many folks, the unexpected and painful reality of a nasty spill and a couple of fractured bones will forever take away the bliss that once came from those activities. The trampoline and bicycle will continue to offer the same experience, but the trauma can be so intense that it can force many to keep their feet on the ground.

Losing your job, getting evicted from your home, and watching the value of your retirement savings crash can be deeply distressing. And so even when you get a new job, move into a new home, and recoup all of your investment losses, that new persistent feeling of uncertainty that followed the traumatic will discount everything you have…

Any readers ever see that iconic sports film The Natural, starring Robert Redford? Is it just me, or does all this kind of remind you of that part in the movie where the club hires a shrink to talk to the players when everything is going wrong?


“Losing is a disease”
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No, not that bit where the ballplayer gets hit in the (g)nards. But that “losing is a disease” speech.

And just like Roy Hobbs rolled his eyes and walked out of the locker room, I wouldn’t blame any of you for moving on from this post after reading that stuff about “trauma.”

“Trauma has the ability to distort how we perceive our present reality”

I suspect the “present reality” is crystal-clear for a growing number of Americans- trauma not needed.

And in more than a few instances, their economic “reality” definitely does not match what’s being peddled by Washington and its allies in the mainstream media these days.

Christopher E. Hill
Survival And Prosperity (www.survivalandprosperity.com)

Source:

Ro, Sam. “Obama uttered a single word that explains so much about America today.” Yahoo! News. 17 Apr. 2016. (https://www.yahoo.com/news/obama-us-economy-americans-recovering-from-trauma-175254482.html). 18 Apr. 2016.

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Signs Of The Time, Part 86

Back in 2007 when I was running Boom2Bust.com, “The Most Hated Blog On Wall Street,” I came across an article which illustrated just how ridiculous the housing bubble had gotten. Several California homeowners were asked about future price appreciation for their homes. Most, if not all, had wildly optimistic expectations about how much their properties would be “worth” down the road.

Fast forward to July 24, 2015, and Robert Shiller, the Yale professor who correctly-called the “dot-com” and housing busts, wrote the following in a New York Times piece entitled “The Housing Market Still Isn’t Rational”:

Extravagant expectations do lurk in parts of the market. In the 2015 Yale School of Management survey of recent home buyers that Karl Case of Wellesley College, Anne Thompson of Dodge Data and Analytics and I direct, our preliminary results confirmed the overall Pulsenomics conclusion yet found that some people have strikingly unrealistic expectations.

In San Francisco, for example, we found that while the median expectation for annual home price increases over the next 10 years was only 5 percent, a quarter of the respondents said they thought prices would increase each year by 10 percent or more. That would mean a net 150 percent increase in a decade. These people are apparently not thinking about the supply response that so big a price increase would generate. People like this could bid prices in some places so high that eventually the local market will collapse…

(Editor’s note: Bold added for emphasis)


“The Nastiest Wife on Television”
Uploaded April 11, 2006.
And we all know what happened to housing right after that…
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Irrational exuberance is alive and well, it seems. You can read Dr. Shiller’s entire article on the Times site here.

Christopher E. Hill
Survival And Prosperity (www.survivalandprosperity.com)

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Peter Schiff: Buy Gold, Silver To Prepare For Bursting Of This ‘Much Bigger Bubble’ Than Housing, Dot-Com

The first installment of Peter Schiff’s Gold Videocast for the new year is out on YouTube. And Euro Pacific Capital’s Schiff recapped gold’s performance in 2014 and shared his outlook for the precious metal- along with silver- in 2015. He told viewers:

I think the sentiment situation, the markets, the technicals, are really poised for a very, very big year up in the precious metals in gold and silver for 2015. And nobody is expecting this. We had the sentiment completely in the opposite direction. All the bears were piled onto the same side of the boat. And now it turns out that they got it wrong. And I think they’re going to have to scramble to get to the other side as this illusion rapidly fades. Again, I’ve said this many times, that I’ve never seen a bigger disconnect in the markets- the stock market, the currency market, the precious metal market- between reality and perception. What everybody believes is wrong. And soon, these widely-held beliefs are going to be questioned in a major way and then abandoned. Just like they were with the housing market and subprime when that bubble burst. And just like they were with in dot-com market when that bubble burst. Except that this is a much bigger bubble, and the damage and the fallout on the financial markets will be much greater when this bursts. And therefore, it’s that much more important that investors be properly prepared. And part of that preparation is owning gold and silver.


“State of the Gold Market 2015: Exclusive Forecast & Charts”
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Christopher E. Hill
Survival And Prosperity (www.survivalandprosperity.com)

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Does Robert Shiller See ‘Froth’ In U.S. Housing And Stocks?

I first blogged about Robert Shiller, the Yale professor credited with correctly-calling the “dot-com” and housing busts, on Survival And Prosperity way back on December 29, 2010. I wrote:

Back when the housing bubble was fully-inflated, I happened to catch a CNBC special on housing in which Robert Shiller, an economics professor at Yale University and co-creator of the S&P/Case-Shiller Home Price Indices, appeared with a number of individuals tied to the housing industry. When it was Professor Shiller’s turn to speak, he warned that there was a bubble in residential real estate.

The other panel members subsequently ripped Shiller a new one.

Subsequently, those panelists were made to look like major asses as the bubble turned into a bust, while Dr. Shiller was vindicated.

So what does Shiller think of the recent run-ups in U.S. stock and housing prices?

You make the call.

From a piece he penned and which appeared on The Guardian (UK) website Tuesday:

We have had only three salient global crises in the last century: 1929-33, 1980-82, and 2007-9. These events appear to be more than just larger versions of the more frequent small fluctuations that we often see, and that Stock and Watson analysed. But, with only three observations, it is hard to understand these events.

All seemed to have something to do with speculative price movements that surprised most observers and were never really explained, even years after the fact. They also had something to do with government policymakers’ mistakes. For example, the 1980-82 crisis was triggered by an oil price spike caused by the Iran-Iraq war. But all of them were related to asset-price bubbles that burst, leading to financial collapse.

Those who warn of grave dangers if speculative price increases are allowed to continue unimpeded are right to do so, even if they cannot prove that there is any cause for concern. The warnings might help prevent the booms that we are now seeing from continuing much longer and becoming more dangerous

(Editor’s note: Bold added for emphasis)

Personally, I think Robert Shiller may see the current housing and stock market booms as being “frothy.” Consider what I noted back on December 1, 2013- the last time I really brought him up on this blog:

These days, Dr. Shiller is worried about U.S. stocks once more. Madeline Chambers reported on Reuters.com this morning:

An American who won this year’s Nobel Prize for economics believes sharp rises in equity and property prices could lead to a dangerous financial bubble and may end badly, he told a German magazine.

Robert Shiller, who won the esteemed award with two other Americans for research into market prices and asset bubbles, pinpointed the U.S. stock market and Brazilian property market as areas of concern.

“I am not yet sounding the alarm. But in many countries stock exchanges are at a high level and prices have risen sharply in some property markets,” Shiller told Sunday’s Der Spiegel magazine. “That could end badly,” he said.

I am most worried about the boom in the U.S. stock market. Also because our economy is still weak and vulnerable,” he said, describing the financial and technology sectors as overvalued.

(Editor’s note: Bold added for emphasis)

And now, several months later, as I keep reading/hearing the term “new all-time record” in the financial mainstream media outlets?

Yep. I’d venture to guess he’d say frothy- at the very least.

You can read his entire piece on The Guardian website here.

By Christopher E. Hill
Survival And Prosperity (www.survivalandprosperity.com)

(Editor’s note: I am not responsible for any personal liability, loss, or risk incurred as a consequence of the use and application, either directly or indirectly, of any information presented herein.)

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Signs Of The Time, Part 25

As it concerns residential real estate in America, we’ve now gone from this…


“Suzanne Researched This Commercial”
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To this…

DEFENDING HOME OWNERSHIP

Home ownership is under attack. There are those who would take away programs that help people become home owners, remove tax benefits like the mortgage interest deduction, and make it more expensive to attain and maintain home ownership. The decision to own a home is a very personal one, but we believe that anyone who is able and willing to assume the responsibilities of owning a home should have the opportunity to pursue that dream.

-National Association of Realtors ad text on page 103 of the August 2011 issue of Popular Mechanics magazine

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Tuesday, July 19th, 2011 Bubbles, Housing, Signs Of The Time No Comments

Robert Shiller Warns Of Falling Home Prices, Double-Dip Recession

Shiller is predicting the mountain goes into the sea… He’s selling himself.

-Robert I. Toll, Executive Chairman of the Board of home builder Toll Brothers, Inc., about economist Robert Shiller and his forecast of a U.S. housing bust (New York Times, August 21, 2005)

Back on June 3rd, I noted that Robert Shiller, Yale economics professor and co-creator of the S&P/Case-Shiller indices, had warned suburban home prices could decline further. Yesterday, at the Standard & Poor’s housing summit, Dr. Shiller again spoke of falling real estate prices- as well as a possible “double-dip” recession. Reuters’ Leah Schnurr wrote yesterday morning:

Recent housing and employment data suggests the economy is at a tipping point, while home prices could have much further to fall, veteran economist Robert Shiller said on Thursday.

“My gut feeling is we might see a continuation of the decline (in home prices),” Shiller said.

He added that a 10 to 25 percent slump in real home prices “wouldn’t surprise me at all,” though he cautioned that was not a forecast.

(Editor’s note: Italics added for emphasis)

Dr. Shiller, who correctly called both of the recent stock market and housing bubbles, had this to say about the U.S. economy. From the piece:

Another uptick in the unemployment rate might also start to point to a double-dip recession, he said.

(Editor’s note: Italics added for emphasis)

Most economists have dismissed the idea of a double-dip recession for some time now.

Sources:

Leonhardt, David. “Be Warned: Mr. Bubble’s Worried Again.” New York Times. 21 Aug. 2005. (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/21/business/yourmoney/21real.html?pagewanted=1). 10 June 2011.

Schnurr, Leah. “US economy at tipping point, housing bad – Shiller.” Reuters. 9 June 2011. (http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/09/usa-housing-shiller-idUSN9E7GO00B20110609). 10 June 2011.

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